Both items are beautiful. Very well made and perfect size. Although, the octagon one, unfortunately fell off the leather strip. My brother was wearing it. I got these for he and I, something to hold on to while he is dealing with cancer. Whether he was too rough on it and it pulled loose or it fell off, I don’t know. The pendant and the loop were both gone. I gave him my cross to replace it. Thank you for popping up in my Instagram feed! Truly a wonderful site. Bless you!